we ARE influenced by what we take in...

willow

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Thanks for this Brett! I also thought that last night's webinar actually covered the main questions from this thread very well.
It does seem so hard sometimes, trying to reverse not seeing something as Thought (to have it be seen as Thought).

I did have one question I'd like to ask. I reckon, there are plenty of people, who don't know anything about the 3P, or any other type of helpful understanding, but they have insightful thinking a lot of the time, too. What seems to be happening there? Would you say these are not insights?

Also, I don’t think it’s not only one industry built around “influence,” I assume the whole world is built upon a groundwork of outside-in thinking, and that we keep layering upon it, too. (But those are the assumptions that I have that may not be that helpful for myself 😓)



I want to draw something out quickly, to get another line-of-thought around the questions asked and thoughts in the room.

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Here you have your input and and output.


Let's just say, for argument's sake, that your output is abosolutely determined ("influence" sounds a bit obscure to me).

In this representation, we see that we only have one possible output for this input.

But what if... and this is just a thought... What if there isn't only one possible output?


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Same representation, but "unknown output" included.


So, you have your input, but we include the fact, that there might be something we don't know about yet. This something is in your range of possibilities for outputs.

So what do I need to do to uncover this "unknown output"? Say I don't like my "known output" and I'd like to have a different, better output.

I observe that people often try really hard to do something (I do, too). Or they try to do something in the other direction, this could look like "tuning out" (a favourite approach of mine!).

This is trying to do something in relation to the initial input or its output. So, we try things like enlarging it/them, reducing it/them, hammering at it/them, ignoring it/them, etc... trying to make something different out of it, for there to be a different output (or new output). But, in a way, we're already going down a misguided path.

This could look like:

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As long as we are in the belief of any specific input having determined its output, hidden outputs remain hidden.



And because we're already down a misguided path, we're likely going to end up back at where we were or just keep going down a same path (that's why I added arrows in both directions).

Said in another way, we're taking the baggage we want to carry over with us, maybe even adding to the weight. But, in that moment we learn, we then carry over the baggage. Does that make sense? We don't carry over it by carrying it with us.

To me, "not doing anything" is just staying with the fact that there is a range of possible outputs, that the output we already have (or are in) is not the only possible output. Which means, that the input doesn't actually absolutely determine any specific output.

My explanation as to the reason, would be that: the input is created in mind, the output is created in mind. That's where they are born, that's where they go on to give birth.

And "not doing anything" means as much as just staying with the understanding, while you're still living outside of understanding. Not doing anything doesn't necessarily mean that you'll just sit there and do nothing (it might, though, if that's the approprite thing to do).

Nobody knows what the insight will be. If we are trying to get to insight, as a target (as Brett explained) then what are we trying to get to? What target have we made out of insight? It's more like a direction, than a target, I would say.


Additional note:
I got really annoyed trying to draw out these figures (Paint + touchscreen... difficult). I almost gave up. It wasn't the "quick" I was going for. Plus I didn't even know whether any of this would be helpful at all. I probably went into and out of seeing what was annoying me a thousand times. Even if it doesn't help anyone, and if it confuses you further (I am sorry!), in the end I think I enjoyed doing this, anyway.

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This was great. DON"T DO ANYTHING> Just know the possibilities are endless and there ( although I can't make them happen) and that gives hope while letting me be with what it is in acceptence. What do you think of my understanding did I miss it?
 

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I don't know if this is helpful or 'right' but to me when I feel the 'trying hard' feeling, the intensity, the urgency, in ANY area, 3p insights or helping my son, or getting an answer, then I am alerted (when I am) that I am outside in. That doesn't preclude me from looking in the direction of insight.

Looking towards insight or asking questions or getting help for my children are actions. That is one point.

The other 'action' that I 'do' (right or wrong) is that I look (when I remember, or see my alleged sticky note!) is that I look towards truth, towards, what I know, perhaps towards insight. Maybe it's like Sebastian's being open to other outputs. It's hard to describe. There is a knowing there, perhaps an insight that that is available for me to do.

It is an understanding that though this is what is occurring to me now, it is not truely the only feeling that is around.
I'm not sure how to say it in principle language or as a constant.
yes the trying hard feeling can be a great clue. So often I feel or think "this is too hard". This "I am working so hard to be good" and I guess not finding life funny or light should be the clue that I am off track.
 
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This was great. DON"T DO ANYTHING> Just know the possibilities are endless and there ( although I can't make them happen) and that gives hope while letting me be with what it is in acceptence. What do you think of my understanding did I miss it?

I do think you've understood this in the way that I have understood this.

yes the trying hard feeling can be a great clue. So often I feel or think "this is too hard". This "I am working so hard to be good" and I guess not finding life funny or light should be the clue that I am off track.

I reckon we are lucky, that we have had the opportunity to see where the weight in life, whether light or heavy, comes from.

Those clues you mentioned really are helpful pointers.

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I do think you've understood this in the way that I have understood this.



I reckon we are lucky, that we have had the opportunity to see where the weight in life, whether light or heavy, comes from.

Those clues you mentioned really are helpful pointers.

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oh good